The Game is on! Everyone has on their poker face. I have to crack a smile though. I would like to call everyone to go visit the Union Website once again. My predictions have come true concerning Medical Benefits if the Chart on Update #6 is true. A quote on the page reads; "Today, the Company gave us their Medical benefit rates applicable to both hourly and salary, which are as follows:". I wrote that would happen here. Look around this blog to see how far back I have been predicting that in our upcoming contract. Pass-Through is a fact, get used to it. The good news is that since they posted a few updates to their web site, it looks like they've gotten the word! All RMS workers deserve to hear about what's going on in the Negotiations. I'm glad they posted numbers and charts showing what looks like a good faith effort to inform us what's being debated in there. That's a major improvement.
However, I have a disagreement with something in update seven. The third paragraph says they want us to demand Management for a GWI for all. That's unacceptable, unless it is combined with a wage adjustment for the classifications that have been robbed over the past 16 years. No matter how big of a GWI you get, the fact that our classes are getting ripped off makes it priority one for you guys to fix. Everybody deserves a raise, and we understand the reality of home economics. But taking from one set of workers and giving it to the others has quite a few people at wits end. All workers deserve equal representation. So lets bring all wages back in proportion with what they were back in '93. We want RONA, optional 9-80s, Merit Pay, and of course, the correction of the wage imbalance. Stewards, you have a meeting to go to on Monday. The best thing you can do is to up-channel this info and ask the Neg-Cmte to resolve these issues. Smile! You've got a full-house.
45 comments:
"Anonymous said...
"Quitting would be a nice start, killing yourself would be better!"
Putting one more nail in IAM 933's coffin."
Oct 16, 2009 7:48:00 PM
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NOW GO DIE BITCH!!!!!!!
Ramon, Lost your marble again? Remember if you don't use it you will lose it. You set a good example of union leadership to lodge933 members and PALF. You should be proud.
Eleven sodomy comments from HAHA Dude deleted. You are sick with fetish. Seek help.
Filthy Ramon. With sick comments like that how do you expect to get Watsons job? I guess there is no big salary with union retirement for you in the future. What a schmutz!
The top dog makes $91,966
number 2 makes $74,148 so MUCH
for you dues money. You're NOT getting what you pay for!
Based on my calculation, Jim will make $114,957.50 this year, and next year will rake in $137,949! Aren't dues increases a wonderful thing? Will the HAHA Dude's nail gun keep Ramon from becoming the DBR? Will the Cal-Tech rebellion be squashed by a pay raise? Will the Testers follow through on their threat to call in another union? Stay tuned for next episode of "As the Union Turns!"
Once I computed just how much in union dues COST (yes COST!) me in wages, it was enough to buy a NEW CAR!
Just remember what tangeable item you're buying from IAM 933 - nothing!
Is it true that if your job classification isn't represented
properly by the present union, that group can have another union come in and represent them?
This goes along with the previous
comment, entered which wasn't me.
The intl prez barfbagger? hits the jackpot with $280,675 and
Western territory 2nd in command
used to be the dbr of 933 last contract is $149,088 in total compensation, his bro is supposed to go salaried soon, I guess he's going to break the chain.
Ramon you have alot of catching up to do with the others, with only $1860.00 total compensation, let's hope that on top of your company wage or else I think you qualify for food stamps.
" Anonymous said...
Once I computed just how much in union dues COST (yes COST!) me in wages, it was enough to buy a NEW CAR!"
REPLY: Just think if you are red circled and you calculated for not being red circled, you could probably buy a top of the line motorhome!
Now that is some serious cash, my friend.
"Anonymous said...
The top dog makes $91,966
number 2 makes $74,148 so MUCH
for you dues money. You're NOT getting what you pay for!"
Oct 18, 2009 10:56:00 AM
"Anonymous said...
Based on my calculation, Jim will make $114,957.50 this year, and next year will rake in $137,949! Aren't dues increases a wonderful thing? Will the HAHA Dude's nail gun keep Ramon from becoming the DBR? Will the Cal-Tech rebellion be squashed by a pay raise? Will the Testers follow through on their threat to call in another union? Stay tuned for next episode of "As the Union Turns!"
Oct 18, 2009 11:27:00 AM
"Anonymous said...
The intl prez barfbagger? hits the jackpot with $280,675 and
Western territory 2nd in command
used to be the dbr of 933 last contract is $149,088 in total compensation, his bro is supposed to go salaried soon, I guess he's going to break the chain."
Oct 18, 2009 11:58:00 AM
Fuck this shit!!
I want Bob Guth's pay $386,560.00
per year. He makes more than any union schmuck!
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Did anyone question why the DBR and Asst DBR qualify for IAM Union membership Retirement? Why can't the dues paying members qualify for this retirement? Teamsters offers unconditional retirement for members and officers alike. Why not IAM? Huh????????????????????????????????????????Huh?????????????????????????????
"Did anyone question why the DBR and Asst DBR qualify for IAM Union membership Retirement? Why can't the dues paying members qualify for this retirement? Teamsters offers unconditional retirement for members and officers alike. Why not IAM? Huh????????????????????????????????????????Huh?????????????????????????????"
Maybe they forgot to negotiate "Pass-through" provisions on this one.
"Did anyone question why the DBR and Asst DBR qualify for IAM Union membership Retirement?"
When in the employ of the International, they're obligated to create a retirement account for those on the active payroll. It'd be kinda a mess if they didn't offer the benefits they fight so hard to get (or destroy) if they didn't offer it themselves.
Note that DBR does not have a Raytheon badge but a contractor badge. Also, note the lack of security clearance currently held by the DBR.
"Why can't the dues paying members qualify for this retirement?"
See above.
"Teamsters offers unconditional retirement for members and officers alike."
Yeah? Go be a Teamster, then! As you can see, IAM is really not in it for the "rank-and-file" member. They've complained about that for years (IAM-run pension); don't expect that'll change.
So, my question to you is....why is it that a "picket-crossin' scab" has the all the right answers, and those in the know can't or won't say s#!t?
Oust933 2day!
"So, my question to you is....why is it that a "picket-crossin' scab" has the all the right answers, and those in the know can't or won't say s#!t?"
Because they are hoping nobody will notice that we've all caught on. Everyone donate in the brass plate as it goes around. His Holiness will take up the collections after the gathering of the faithful.
Yea? A full house? Really? Check this out!
"According to your earlier posts $63.00/month. What kind of "NEW" car do get for $63.00 /month? A YUGO?!!"
For a treasurer, you sure can't deal with numbers very well, can ya? Learn that skill through union classes, right?
See, people can, and do, purchase cars without having to pay for a loan. It's called "paying cash"; a simple transaction, really.
Add up that $63 for a few years, it starts turning into real money!
"Anonymous said...
"According to your earlier posts $63.00/month. What kind of "NEW" car do get for $63.00 /month? A YUGO?!!"
For a treasurer, you sure can't deal with numbers very well, can ya? Learn that skill through union classes, right?
See, people can, and do, purchase cars without having to pay for a loan. It's called "paying cash"; a simple transaction, really.
Add up that $63 for a few years, it starts turning into real money!"
Oct 19, 2009 4:19:00 AM
$63.00 per month x12 months x 10yrs= $7560! WoW That's REAL MONEY!!! Think I buy me a NEW YUGO!
Where is Jeff Hatley of
Aerojet? Looking for more union mantras to bombard the ousties?
It's too bad you're such a dullard to realize if you took that $63/month and with a 4% interest rate and compounded that for ten years, you actually have $9308.
"Add up that $63 for a few years, it starts turning into real money!"
Perhaps a 'few' was a time period of more than ten years.
Hmmm. 15 years, it's $15,555 and 20 it's $23,184.
For that kind of money, I don't have to by union-made POS Detroit iron, do I?
This one?
Pro-Union Jeff?
Yep! Jeff the one and only. Vote Now!
Jeff with qualifications like that you should run against this unions DBR for his position. You would put him to shame.
"Anonymous said...
It's too bad you're such a dullard to realize if you took that $63/month and with a 4% interest rate and compounded that for ten years, you actually have $9308.
"Add up that $63 for a few years, it starts turning into real money!"
Perhaps a 'few' was a time period of more than ten years.
Hmmm. 15 years, it's $15,555 and 20 it's $23,184.
For that kind of money, I don't have to by union-made POS Detroit iron, do I?"
Oct 19, 2009 6:48:00 PM
What a jacka$$! First you stated that with the money the union cost you you could buy a new car. (Oct 18, 2009 12:27:00 PM)
Then you said add up the $63.00 and in a "few" years it turn into "real" money!
Well I got news for you....
1. If you got to wait 15 - 20 years to get "real" money you ain't buyin a new car anytime soon.
2.The tax you will have to pay on 20 years of saving $63.00 a month negates the interest accrued on it, so what's the point!
3. the best rate I found is; Earn 1.70% APY, FDIC Insured.
www.Ally.com/Bank/SavingsRates
not 4% www.CapitalOne.com/DirectBanking Earn 1.60% APY on $10,000 balances. No fees. FDIC Insured.
Dream on Bozo!!!
Negotiating Committee Needs You to Act! - Update #8
Today (Day 11) we spent time with the Company going over various scenarios for each of the five Company proposed healthcare changes and how those proposed changes would have an effect on the membership. Some of these increases are at 50% in plan design changes for co-payments. Your elected negotiating committee then spent the rest of the day at the IBEW hall explaining those proposed changes to the Shop Stewards, Officers, and CEP representatives. The information we supplied to them is to be shared with our members so they can have a better understanding of the Company proposals and their position of cost shifting for insurance.
Tomorrow, please locate your Steward, and or Union Officials so that s/he can share the information that was provided today. If you see changes that you do not like voice your opposition to the management! Nine days left of bargaining with Raytheon so speak up; attend the rallies and functions to show solidarity! Your committee will continue to bargain with Raytheon for a benefit package that our membership can accept.
Brothers and Sisters stay Positive, Strong and United
In Solidarity,
Your Negotiating Committee
Does that include 4% company matching on investments in the 401k? Check out the worksheet and calculate it yourself wiseguy. Fill in the blocks in the pay, and other key factors. Watch what happens!
Before you putzes go spouting off, do the math! That crap you did is 5th grade.
"Nine days left of bargaining with Raytheon so speak up;"
For those of you who think we stayed out for nothing last contract, check this out. Raytheon, on their own company private documents, issued their medical proposal. In it there are areas in which you, the hourly, will have to pay $2070.00 for some services you now get for $335.00 (6.2 times more), Welcome to pass thru language. This is what we fought against last time and what many of us are willing to fight against again. If you aren't willing to support us or can't stay out, then at least do yourselves the favor of voicing your opposition to every supervisor and manager you see. Copies of these documents will be passed out 10/21 but be aware the company did not want our negotiators to pass out this info. I have personally talked to an area supervisor (former hourly) not 30 minutes ago who told me they have already been given instructions to confiscate and destroy any copies they find,hasta mañana.
"Your elected negotiating committee...l explaining those proposed changes to the Shop Stewards, Officers, and CEP representatives. The information we supplied to them is to be shared with our members so they can have a better understanding ...blah blah..."
"Raytheon, on their own company private documents, issued their medical proposal. ...will have to pay $2070.00 for some services you now get for $335.00 (6.2 times more)... If you aren't willing to support us or can't stay out, then at least ..."
Thats what you clowns fought for last 2 times. You should have taken the raise! One measely dollar an hour would cover that increase, and leave some in the bank after someone paid for the special medical procedure. And if they didn't get it, then it's all take-home. You want us to fight for that? And you don't even plan to share the company document with non members anyway! I'll be waiting for my steward to pass one along to me...LOL.
"And you don't even plan to share the company document with non members anyway! I'll be waiting for my steward to pass one along to me...LOL."
I'll send a copy to your webmaster @ iamnot933.net
"And you don't even plan to share the company document with non members anyway! I'll be waiting for my steward to pass one along to me...LOL."
Not everyone is against you guys, and this does effect everyone including you. You don't have to support the union but if you don't want the extra increase in your cost of bene's (which will result in a lower wage) Then you should say something to the company. We already know you are unhappy with the union,that doesn't change what the company wants to force upon everyone. Think about it.
Send it to webmaster at iam933.net
"Anonymous said...
The intl prez barfbagger? hits the jackpot with $280,675 and
Western territory 2nd in command
used to be the dbr of 933 last contract is $149,088 in total compensation, his bro is supposed to go salaried soon, I guess he's going to break the chain."
Reply: $280,675/$63.00=about 371 members 12 months of duedues
$149,088/$63.00=only 197 members coughing up the moola.
the bro, the contingency worker wish him well in the newsletter.
replying to the original post, poker face, I need my pay proportioned to the 1996 level
when testers were finally put on the second level of the assembly
(family if that's what you want to call it?). I could finally get the pay I should have been getting when cep started, if they (cep) would have listened. I read the story of some old timer that wanted to stay on the first level which is utterly ridiculous since he would have gotten a raise also.
now the company needs testers bad,
they should have done some investing in the future.
Mr. M. is going salaried for other reasons; he's being protected.
"I read the story of some old timer that wanted to stay on the first level which is utterly ridiculous since he would have gotten a raise also."
The old-timers (several of them) were pizzed that all of assy was on the lower tier, while all of the test & technical types were on the 2nd layer of the CEP org chart.
That's why the old Prototype and PTS slots were swapped around in the end. The UNION agreed to that small injustice right there.
Now, goodie for the Proto's; hell, there were some actual technicians in that classification back then, along with some real crafty old women that'd put most everyone to shame.
On another topic, has Pro-Union Jeff left us, now that he's been outed?
"Because they are hoping nobody will notice that we've all caught on."
I do note the distinct conciliatory tone that seems to be taken by some of the mob over at the hall. Shoot, my steward actually smiled at me today (I must be getting to her?)
"His Holiness will take up the collections after the gathering of the faithful."
Hey, now, that's sacrilegious, isn't it?
I sure hope Jeff hasn't left. He's a proud union member and it would be a bad mark on his cause if he were to hide from us. After all, he is a graduate of union leadership school, so he should be able to handle hostile contract negotiations! He better not feel intimidated by a few small fry like us!
And there is nothing sacreligeous about poking fun at Pastor James E. Watson...LOL!
Well folks say goodbye to RONA,
9/80 and Rambos. Enjoy your benefits like red circling, ever
increasing healthcare, pay increases just enough to keep you hungry for the overtime. 3 more years.
Aww... Come on Jeff. Everyone that post here is fair game. Anti and Pro. Just expect to be roasted.
Do you really think you lot are going to scare me away? Come on people! Get a grip!!!!!
Just so you know, I DO have a life outside of this blog. I have been monitoring what has been said, just haven't had the time or inclination to post anything.
So as you now know, I really am who I said I was. As I have said all along, the only true way for you to achieve what you so desire is to stand together as Union members to show the company that you are serious in this fight. And if you think this isn't a fight, you are gravely mistaken.
With a divided workforce, members and non members, the company is the one holding all the "power" in this negotiations. Especially if they have been reading this blog. And you are the ones giving the company all the power by your not being dues paying members.
You know I am right. Sit down and seriously think about it. Slim, you can do your sitting and thinking at the KFC if you like. Standing together is the only way to get the things you want. Or at least the majority of them.
Remember:
"My friends, it is solidarity of labor we want. We do not want to find fault with each other, but to solidify our forces and say to each other: "We must be together; our masters are joined together and we must do the same thing."
Mother Jones.
Things really haven't changed that much. But even then, they knew that the only way to do this was together, through solidarity.
As always,
Jeff
GO IAM!!!!!!!!!!!
I think I'm getting this thing, you
must be and stay a member and fight even if you don't get anything, as long as your brothers
and sisters get something. It's that turn the other cheek, give the coat off your back "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few"(Spock of Star Trek),Kamakazi flying into the US fleet, suicide bombing in Israel, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan and Afghanistan...
Someone said:
"I think I'm getting this thing, you
must be and stay a member and fight even if you don't get anything, as long as your brothers
and sisters get something. It's that turn the other cheek, give the coat off your back "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few"(Spock of Star Trek),Kamakazi flying into the US fleet, suicide bombing in Israel, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan and Afghanistan..."
Because doing your way is working so good for you????? All you can do is whine and complain this way. You sound like Slim now......
Give it a try. I bet you would be surprised by the results.
As always,
Jeff
GO IAM!!!!!!!!!
To the vulgar poster from Oct 21, 2009 5:16:00 PM---You are a worthless whining baby who can't get a job outside the job you hate, "Raymart". Can't you get your mind off boy parts? You seem fixated on it mr smith. You are a sell out to the company you hate. Leave Raymart if you dare. If you had union pride, you would quit!
To the rest; The union is playing a hoax on the membership again. You are getting lied to. Just because they say it, doesn't make it true! Tomorrow's rally is a joke! The joke is on the fools who believe the crap about the medical proposals. Dont be the union's usefull idiot! Quit this bunch of liars while you can. Last day for open resignations - 27 October!
Anonymous pervert you will soon find out what a loser you are and
will not be able to escape it.
Ciao
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