Sunday, October 25, 2009

A picture speaks 1000 words



Fellow RMS workers, I write tonight to illustrate what I’ve been talking about for a long time. Our pay at RMS is way out of line with what our union should be doing with wages. I got this e-mail attachment a few hours ago. I was told to expect something big on Saturday, but this is great! When I wrote “Just the Facts” on Sept 13th, I wrote about unfair wages and I added a simple chart showing big difference in pay. This paints a much better picture of what I was talking about.
As you have seen over the past few weeks, we’ve taken a conciliatory position with the Union, in an effort to help them get the best bargain possible. Echoes abound with invites to the Rally for those Ousties who feel the desire to join forces with the Union in a demonstration of loyal opposition to the Company’s perceived tight fist over the coin box. Are we really welcome out there IAM933?

This picture illustrates my conviction that many of us have been short changed over the years. I’m not placing blame this time. It is what it is. Just look at the picture and decide for yourselves. Word has it that this same picture, together with others was sent to a union steward. The desire to help is balanced with the reality that our union has its goals different from ours. But if they take these charts and make adjustments to the negotiations necessary, they could earn a lot of members. Time will tell.

So I ask that steward to act promptly and get the charts moving upward today while the money is on the table in the negotiations. I don't think these charts do enough. There is not enough pay directed where I want it to go. But it is moving in the right direction. The biggest impact is for all those jobs that sucked with 46% raises over 16 years.
The other list I read has 34 of 38 classes getting at least a 65% pay increase over 1993 by 2012. That is, IF the Company will give the average sum amount listed in the chart to correct the pay problems. Some workers won’t like it if they are the ones who have enjoyed generous wage increases in the past, at the expense of the rest of labor.

I ask both the Union and the Company to look these charts over well, and come up with a solution to the basic problem that has demoralized RMS workers for many contracts. Lets raise the pay of those fields that we can’t fill because of under pay. And lets raise the pay of the workers who have taken it in the shorts all these years. Technical fields need a boost. We need to recapture the incentive to promote ourselves within Raytheon by making higher skill jobs attractive again.

64 comments:

Anonymous said...

This union in order to survive must fix there problems this time. Proper wage adjustments, Rona, Optional 9/80. Forget getting fixated on "Pass Through" in health benefits. The benefits proposed have a cap and are geared to enforce a healthy lifestyle. If you are a smokestake or a junk food junkie or an after work alcoholic then get over it, you are the problem. I have a solution that will solve the healthcare cost. I wish the company would enforce a non smoking workplace policy, other major fortune 500 companies have done it. This policy would benefit hourly and salary together. And while were at it get rid of all the junk food machines in all the buildings. There would be alot of cussing and moaning however this is good for you. Also there should be a ban on smoking in company vehicles on plant and off. Everytime I use one I feel like a full fledge smoker again. The company shouldnt blame these bad habits on the hourly. The salary have the same bad habits however they must face a performance review and it does not bode well on your review if you are on a smoke break every 15 min. Enough said.

Anonymous said...

Your graph on pay equity looks great however why not post one that includes the total number employees per given job title. This would show a clearer picture for all to see.

Anonymous said...

Comment 1 on the bellyaching about the health care costs rising was a good one. Health costs are going UP everywhere. Our's aren't so bad. GET OVER IT. This is not an item that is killing us. Regarding the wages, I don't know how many of you in this forum originally worked for Hughes. Hughes had quite a spread of wages depending on knowledge. They ranged from Assembly being Labor Grade 4, then 8. Testers were Labor Grade 16. Since Mechanics and Cal Techs were so much higher on the chart, I don't even remember their Labor Grades. BUT those high tech jobs paid a LOT more. RAYTHEON IS THE ONE BRINGING THE WAGES CLOSER. My thoughts are that someday they want a workforce to clock in and be able to do most ANY job assigned for that day. They don't really want a diversed workforce, and really NOT A HIGH-TECH GROUP! In closing, we need to remember the union is not big enough nor strong enough to matter to this power house. We will never bring them to their knees, and they know it. If we were thousands, we'd matter. But a few hundred only make them laugh. Anti-Union people know the union has to work for them, too, so they don't join. One day the old veterans will be retired and the workforce will be in trouble. There won't be anyone left to fight for them. When that day comes and Raytheon cuts wages and benefits right on the spot, what are they going to do then? At least the Union is there to FIGHT, and that's more than any one of us can do alone. They are not perfect, but at least they are there to fight the battles and try to get better benefits.

Anonymous said...

"One day the old veterans will be retired and the workforce will be in trouble. There won't be anyone left to fight for them."

A bit dramatic, don't you think?

"When that day comes and Raytheon cuts wages and benefits right on the spot, what are they going to do then?"

Quit and work someplace with worse benefits and conditions, or suck it up and go to work?

Face it, this is Tucson, not Andover, not LA, not Dallas/Ft Worth.

Anonymous said...

Hughes born, Raytheon low on the bread.

Anonymous said...

Labor grades went up to grade 22.
Testers had a functional tester at grade 11 that had little or no troubleshooting when the product failed, just hookup, push a button or two and get a pass or fail, save the troubleshooting for a grade 16 electronics tester or an engineer could troubleshoot and give the failure description, rework instruction and possibly a retest matrix if it was returned unit to the grade 11 to then write down on the paperwork. If the grade 16 did the troubleshooting they did the paperwork also. Testers are now combined with C.E.P. with some testers doing more involved testing with troubleshooting and others just putting product part number, serial number and test operation number in a computer driven test station, push the start button or icon, test runs, pass or fail, if it failed many testers don't have the technical skills to troubleshoot so an engineer will attempt to come up with the solution. These two types of testers get the same pay.?! Who brainstormed this in the late 1980's for C.E.P. Interesting fact Bobby Martinez, Jimbo Watson and Steve Taylor were grade 11 testers could they have had something to do with this combination of grade 11 with grade 16 to make C.E.P.'s product test specialist? Also why isn't the name at the end technician instead of specialist.

Anonymous said...

9/80, the company said is not possible in a production setting(hourly employees), so why do the salaried support of these very same production settings have 9/80?

Anonymous said...

Re; Hourly & 9/80

Who came up with that line of crap; the company side?

Now, here's a bit of information to evaluate - I know the readership wants to know; here it is in a non-RTW application:

Hourly 9/80 in MN

Don't let them run away from the table waving that lame excuse. Don't let Dr. T.L.'s dislike for 9/80 disuade you, either.

The company is being really lazy - push harder for 9/80!

Anonymous said...

MANY of the hourly workforce want the choice to work the 9/80 and/or 4/10s. Overtime is not a factor to everyone, so those who are not concerned with OT should have the right to choose the 9/80. What's the problem? If OT is desired, they can work that off Friday. Regarding the change of labor grades to CEP, the company at the time of inception did NOT think the majority of the workforce would go to school. HA! Fooled them, didn't they? Over 98% took the classes. Money talks! Anyway, CEP did not do many favors.

Anonymous said...

Re; Hourly & 9/80

Who came up with that line of crap; the company side?

Now, here's a bit of information to evaluate - I know the readership wants to know; here it is in a non-RTW application:

Hourly 9/80 in MN

Don't let them run away from the table waving that lame excuse. Don't let Dr. T.L.'s dislike for 9/80 disuade you, either.

The company is being really lazy - push harder for 9/80!

Oct 26, 2009 2:34:00 PM

REPLY-If you're a member then you can ask to push this, if you're not, you get what you get!

Anonymous said...

Anon. Oct 27, 2009 3:25:00 PM

"REPLY-If you're a member then you can ask to push this, if you're not, you get what you get!"

If I'm a member or not is not relevant to this argument. If 60% of the hourly population wants it, then it's to be bargained for, simple as that.

Work Week

According to a recent survey by Expedia.com, 63 percent of Americans work more than 40 hours a week, with some 40 percent exceeding the 50-hour a week mark. More than $21 billion dollars in vacation time goes unused annually (and back to employers!), as we spend 2.5 more weeks (and three months more) at work than do our Japanese and western European counterparts, respectively.

How to get back a normal work week

Try it sometime!

Anonymous said...

"REPLY-If you're a member then you can ask to push this, if you're not, you get what you get!"

That's how you get people to start supporting the ousties! You guys can have the vote. But don't get arrogant. It failed you once. All you got was rebellion. Put it to rest already.

Anonymous said...

Oh brothers and sisters it is again clear that our great Union once again does not get it.

Update 14, "Jim Watson said these economic proposals are about respect, red circle, RONA, GWI’s, and benefits that reflect the profitability and ability of this Company to pay."

I do not understand the language that our union leaders use. I know this might seem like nit-picking but does respect have to be on every tee shirt and the start of every conversation? Should we be respected...yes. But going around telling everyone, respect me, seems pointless and does not make anyone respect you. How about a little more respect from the union to its members? Like representing us all not just certain job families.

Why does every comunication from the "leadership" sound like it was written by a '50s southern minister? The "dear brothers and sisters" and the "much esteemed so-and-so". When it comes right down to it this is about money and business. Maybe if the leaders would start acting like business leaders the business people in the company would take them more seriously during business negotiations.

Do we really want to be represented by these idiots?

Anonymous said...

You know and I know we are going to get a crap contract this time. We need to go out again....even if the keep the doors open they loose money. Sunday, we need to vote with our hearts not our checkbooks or we will keep loosing every negotiation. Stand strong

Anonymous said...

"You know and I know we are going to get a crap contract this time. "

Don't count your chickens....

This will be better than you were led to believe.

Anonymous said...

"Anonymous said...
"You know and I know we are going to get a crap contract this time. "

Don't count your chickens....

This will be better than you were led to believe."
Oct 27, 2009 7:49:00 PM

Good! Than I'll hold you to it. No Bitching if we get a lousy contract, You just said it will be better than we think.

Anonymous said...

"We finally presented our economic proposals to the Company. DBR Jim Watson said these economic proposals are about respect, red circle, RONA, GWI’s, and benefits that reflect the profitability and ability of this Company to pay. The Company responded that red circled employees have not lost anything and that they have been well taken care of. The Company’s response to RONA was “it won’t happen on my watch”, and there are no other bargaining unit employees within the corporation that receive RONA. GWI’s seem to be an issue. The Company said they have heard from a few employees that Assemblers are paid too much, so the Company has suggested they may propose no GWIs for Assemblers. The Company has also suggested they may propose to combine Process Technicians with Assembly Technicians.
In closing the Company said “I assume you know you won’t get everything you asked for” followed by “it’s a heavy proposal.”

Here is what the Company thinks is a heavy proposal.
• A $3,500 signing bonus with annual GWI’s of 5%, 5%, and 5%
• Benefits proposals that limit cost shifting to the backs of our members
• Increased Automatic Wage Progression
• Increased Premiums for Working Leaders and Instructors
• Increased shift premiums
• Elimination of Red Circle
• RONA
• Cost of Living Allowance
• Additional Basic Life Insurance
• Pension Plan improvements
• Proposal to begin minimal participation in the IAM National Pension Fund

These proposals are not out of line for an initial proposal in the Aerospace Industry! For a lot of years Raytheon has saved money on the backs of its employees. With the significant cost shifting the Company wants, it’s time for them to grant the wages that will pay for their cost shifting and move to the national rates routinely paid in the industry.
A wonderful turn out at the park rally today, we thank you for taking time to be there today.

With that Stay Strong, Positive and United!!

Until next time,
Your Negotiating Committee"

We have asked for RONA, asa well as many other financial benefits for the hourly and the company has said "Bite Me". So what do you think of mother Raytheon now?!

Anonymous said...

"We need to go out again....even if the keep the doors open they loose money. Sunday, we need to vote with our hearts not our checkbooks or we will keep loosing every negotiation. Stand strong"

"We have asked for RONA, as well as many other financial benefits for the hourly and the company has said "Bite Me". So what do you think of mother Raytheon now?!"

The ignorance shown in the first statement will lead to the apapthy shown in the second one.

Do Some Homework On The Subject!

For union-represented employees, Lockheed negotiated for the 9/80 schedule with labor.

"We heard from our union leadership in the various sites that it was somehow a detriment to the employees' eligibility, if you will, for overtime," Kludt said.

But the company presented its view on the aim to give more flexibility to employees.

When employers consider an alternate work schedule, International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers spokesman Frank Larkin said, it's important to the union that members would not be "forced off of a traditional work schedule" to work the alternate schedule.


Be a leader, not a sheep and follow blindly - get 9/80's!

Anonymous said...

Look at the assembler raises in the picture! Tell me thats not too high. So the company is right on that one. The union ask for 5% gwi? for everybody? fat chance! 3 times even! Where is the HAHA dude when you need him?! Even he knows we wont get 5% times three! HAHAHAHAHA!

Anonymous said...

Anon. Oct 27, 2009 3:25:00 PM

"REPLY-If you're a member then you can ask to push this, if you're not, you get what you get!"

If I'm a member or not is not relevant to this argument. If 60% of the hourly population wants it, then it's to be bargained for, simple as that.

Work Week

According to a recent survey by Expedia.com, 63 percent of Americans work more than 40 hours a week, with some 40 percent exceeding the 50-hour a week mark. More than $21 billion dollars in vacation time goes unused annually (and back to employers!), as we spend 2.5 more weeks (and three months more) at work than do our Japanese and western European counterparts, respectively.

How to get back a normal work week

Try it sometime!

Oct 27, 2009 5:19:00 PM

So go ahead tell the union you want them to negotiate for you and your 60% that you want 9/80.

For your return to a 40 hour workweek it talks about the person leaving their briefcase and work papers at the office.
You fit into that category, I sure.

People aren't using their PTO, I think they need a shrink, I use every second of my PTO.

9/80 is fine if it doesn't mess up to overtime, some people like the extra pay especially in these economic times.

Anonymous said...

It should be "the" not "to" in the previous blog, oops.

Anonymous said...

I saw an oustie at todays rally! I laughed as I drove by. That guy has a lot of balls to do that. Even with him out there, the showing was a miserable 125 people, tops. Now go get 700 people to stand out there tomorrow, plus that oustie! I bet he wont go two days in a row!

Anonymous said...

I double dare him to wear a orange shirt at the rally.

Anonymous said...

Should be more people if the union provided alcohol. I bet the burn barrel drunk had some.

Anonymous said...

"I saw an oustie at todays rally! I laughed as I drove by. That guy has a lot of balls to do that. Even with him out there, the showing was a miserable 125 people, tops. Now go get 700 people to stand out there tomorrow, plus that oustie! I bet he wont go two days in a row!"

Figures! Bad mouth the one guy that has the balls to make a stand you cowardly bitches! You don't need to worry bout a strike no one is gonna fight for you pigs while you ain't got the balls to do nothin but whine. The shitty contract we get will because you Guth suckers wanted it that way.

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Anonymous said...

"I double dare him to wear a orange shirt at the rally."

I hope he does,I'll stand there right beside him, with my union shirt!

Anonymous said...

Anybody know what the "OPEN WINDOW" period is to be able to get out of the union? Isn't there a time period during contract negotiations that this is possible, instead of waiting for each "personal window?"

Anonymous said...

Brothers and Sisters we have a lot to report today, some of which is going to really give you an idea of how much the Company values your commitment, and loyalty to our collective efforts. Over the past three years, with our hard work, we played a huge role in making the Company more profitable than ever.

We proposed the elimination of Red Circle rates. The Company responded that they weren’t interested in changing Red Circle rates, and that over the life of this agreement most Red Circled would work itself out after increases of the GWIs. There would still be about 10 employees that will be Red Circled in 2012.

We proposed increases to the AWP’s, moving them from $.50 to $.85 cents every 26 weeks. The Company responded that they’re not interested.

We proposed raises for Working Leads from $.50 to $1.00. The Company responded that they could do something in that area. (Just wait until we get to their generous offer).

We proposed shift premium increases for 2nd and 3rd shift. The Company responded that they weren’t interested in raising the premium for 3rd shift at all, and they never countered our proposal for 2nd shift.

We proposed raising Classification Rate Minimums. The Company once again responded that they’re not interested.

We proposed RONA. Company replied; they’re not interested.

We proposed COLA. Company replied; they’re not interested.

We proposed capping their healthcare proposal. Again, the Company responded that they are not going to change their plan design.


So Here’s the Company’s great 1st offer……

CONTINUED.....

Anonymous said...

So Here’s the Company’s great 1st offer……

Company Economic Proposal
October 28, 2009
2:30 PM

Duration: 3 years – Expiring 11:59 PM October 28, 2012

Wages:

Year 1

Payment of a Lump Sum Ratification Payment in the amount of $250 to all employees on the active payroll as of January 9, 2010, payable by January 29, 2010.

Effective the pay period commencing January 9, 2010, all employees on the active payroll on January 9, 2010 shall receive a General Wage Increase of 2.00%. “Red Circled” employees, shall receive a lump sum payment in the amount of 2.00% of their base rate, calculated as 2080 hours X 2.00% of base rate = lump sum payment.

For active employees as of the date of ratification of the contract, employees with Health Care Flexible Spending Accounts will have $100 added to their account for 2010; those who don’t have accounts will have accounts created in their names and funded with $100 for 2010.

$.05 increase to Group Leader premium pay, effective January 9, 2010.

Year 2


Effective the pay period commencing January 8, 2011, all employees on the active payroll on January 8, 2011 shall receive a General Wage Increase of 2.00%. “Red circled” employees, shall receive a lump sum Payment in the amount of 2.00% of their base rate, calculated as 2080 hours X 2.00% of base rate = lump sum payment.

Year 3


Effective the pay period commencing January 7, 2012, all employees on the active payroll on January 7, 2012 shall receive a General Wage Increase of 1.50%. “Red circled” employees, shall receive a lump sum Payment in the amount of 1.50% of their base rate, calculated as 2080 hours X 1.50% of base rate = lump sum payment.

Effective the pay period commencing January 9, 2010, a $350 payment, payable by January 29, 2010, for employees who are on the RAMBO promotion list who have never held the classification.

Medical, Dental, Vision:

Offered on the same design and employee contribution as salaried for 2010, as presented in the October 14, 2009 benefits Proposal. In 2011 and 2012 these plans will also be offered on the same design and employee contribution as is offered to Salaried employees from year to year, on a pass-through basis.

Other Benefits:

Offered on the same design and employee contribution as salaried for 2010, as presented in the October 14, 2009 benefits Proposal (including STD, LTD, Business Travel Accident Insurance (BTA), Basic/Optional Life, FSA’s, Work-Life/ Wellness, RSIP, RAYSIP, AD&D).

In 2011 and 2012 these plans will also be offered on the same design and employee Contribution as is offered to salaried employees, from year to year, on a pass through basis.

Pension-Increase in Non-contributory pension minimum to $35 effective 1/1/2011; $36 eff. 1/2/2012

All Benefit plans will be administered in accordance with the Plan Documents.

2010 Premium Contribution Rates by Benefit Plan are attached in Appendix A.

Company Policies:

Apply to bargaining unit employees, same as salary, unless specifically negotiated differently by the parties
(i.e. Bereavement, PTO, Personal LOA, etc.)

Tentative Agreements:

All tentative agreements, working agreements and Letters of Mutual Intent reached during negotiations.

List of proposals re-submitted:

• Article III – Hours of Work, Overtime, and Premium Pay
• Article IV – Wages
• Article XII – Grievance and Arbitration Procedure
• Article XIX – Duration
• Letter – Tobacco – Free Workplace
• Letter – Joint Safety Commitment

So, in reading the Company’s over generous counter proposal don’t you feel appreciated and respected? Do you feel like part of the Raytheon Team?

This committee is committed to bringing you the best possible wage and benefit package; however you can see that we have our work cut out for us. We made our second counter tonight on the above Company proposal, stay tuned things may or may not change.
Do you feel the Love?

In Solidarity,
Your Negotiating Committee

Anonymous said...

So what do you think boys?
Are you happy at what the company says they ARE NOT willing to give?
If we say no that means strike. Are you willing to stay out to support that?
Or do we just vote yes on the companies final offer?
Tommorrow Friday 10/30/2009 every supervisor will be handing out a copy of this and telling us how great of a deal it is. So now tell me, how do you negotiate a better deal if the company says "WE"RE NOT INTERESTED"?

Anonymous said...

"Anonymous said...
Anybody know what the "OPEN WINDOW" period is to be able to get out of the union? Isn't there a time period during contract negotiations that this is possible, instead of waiting for each "personal window?"
Oct 29, 2009 2:51:00 AM

Why? Crossing the line as a
non-member is just as damaging.

Anonymous said...

"If we say no that means strike. Are you willing to stay out to support that?"

I'll be crossing, as many, many others will be. It'll be a 'normal' day.

"Or do we just vote yes on the companies final offer?"

How much more 'in the hole' do you want to go? Trust me, You'll be at work on Monday as well...my bet is 55% accept; 45% reject.

Consider the games that should have been played three years ago, while forcing negotiations continue. The tribe screwed that move as well, didn't they?



"A strange game. The only winning move is not to play." - WarGames, 1983

Anonymous said...

"Anonymous said...
Anybody know what the "OPEN WINDOW" period is to be able to get out of the union? Isn't there a time period during contract negotiations that this is possible, instead of waiting for each "personal window?"
Oct 29, 2009 2:51:00 AM

That window was open between the 12th and 27th of October. You missed it by 2 days. You can wait till your personal window to file that resignation now.

Anonymous said...

"If we say no that means strike. Are you willing to stay out to support that?"

I'll be crossing, as many, many others will be. It'll be a 'normal' day.

No wonder the company continues to lowball us. You damn jackels have only yourself to blame for that patheic company offer.

Anonymous said...

"I'll be crossing, as many, many others will be. It'll be a 'normal' day."

You have now lost your right to complain!

Anonymous said...

HaHa the drunk burn barrel union clown has finally risen from his stupor. Have you save enough of the unions donations to get you through the strike? I think most of your savings already went to your buddies Jim Beam and Jack Daniels. When you dance around the burn barrel this time please don't walk or stumble into it. The last one was pretty beat up and had to be trashed. All was not lost though... It did provide some comic relief to those driving by. LOL!

Anonymous said...

The ousties are waiting to see if wage injustice has been dealt with. Do Jimbo fix it? Did the Company give fair raises to the techies to fix years of shortcomings? If not, will the ousties strike back? Was that lone oustie on the line the only one who met with the stewards? What does tomorrow bring when the Company brings out it's last best and final offer to the brotherhood of IAM933? Stay Tuned for another miserable episode of...
As the Union Turns!

Anonymous said...

Looks like the union quietly forgot about the 9/80 issue. Most of the hourly wants this option. How come the union doesn't? Don't they represent the wants of the hourly? Or are they still self serving.

Anonymous said...

"That window was open between the 12th and 27th of October. You missed it by 2 days. You can wait till your personal window to file that resignation now"

Or, on Monday, when the strike starts, you can send in the letter; search around, I'm sure you'll find it!

"No wonder the company continues to lowball us. You damn jackels have only yourself to blame for that patheic company offer."

Hmm. So, didja line up those scabby jobs you'll be working while on strike? Worst economy in years? No jobs to be had?? THAT's why we're getting a crappy offer!

"You have now lost your right to complain!"

Nope; I have every right to complain; you do too!

Anonymous said...

If we strike the company won't even feel it. So we just have to accept the companies offer? Then why am I paying my union dues each month?

Hell if the union was out of the way we would still be getting the same offer but wouldn't have all the union BS to deal with. I could get promoted for quality of my work not just how long I have been here....what an idea.

Anonymous said...

Looks like the company is in control again. Why? You have GED's negotiating with PHD's. Who will win? That is why the company is low balling the contract. They can get away with it.

Anonymous said...

"Anonymous said...
If we strike the company won't even feel it. So we just have to accept the companies offer? Then why am I paying my union dues each month?

Hell if the union was out of the way we would still be getting the same offer but wouldn't have all the union BS to deal with. I could get promoted for quality of my work not just how long I have been here....what an idea."

First of you Guth sucking bitch! You don't pay any dues maggot!
Secondly if you were to paid for your quality of work the company would be deducting from your check! They think and have said the hourly(you included boy wonder) are a burden to the company. So go pat yourself on the back, you not only FUCKED everyone last contract but the company says they know they can count on you chicken shits(their own words) to cross the line and FUCK everyone this time too!

Anonymous said...

As an outsider looking in on what is being reported I see both sides have done the same thing.The Union appears to have asked for everything (you really expect 5% raises and what is COLA) where the Company went the opposite direction and shot the Union down on everything, totally low balling. It looks like both sides were setting them selves up for a compromise with the wage increase, figure if you split the differnce the union employees get a 3.5% increase, not to bad in todays economy. The other thing the company has going for them is the fact that unemployment is high, not many jobs for people going on strike and a large pool of new hires if things don't work out! Should be interesting to see how the whole thing plays out.

Anonymous said...

"What part of the company said "we're not interested" did you not understand?!
RONA,9/80, flexible work week,lead pay,shift pay, raises all were asked for! Raytheon said ..."

Show me the money! Guth gave Jimbo a bag of money. If Jimbo didn't divie it up right, then we've got reason to be pissed. You don't like it? Then call Jim on the phone right now and stop the presses on the deal they just struck. RONA is important, but taking it in the shorts for a decade & a half on pay is worse! Today one of the stewards from 801 told me that if pay isn't fixed this time, he plans to quit the union when his chance comes around in june. He's tired of representing, and not getting represented. How many more feel this way?

You union guys better read past issues of this blog and find out what he means.

Anonymous said...

RUMOR has it there "might" be the option of working a "cool-off" period if the Union votes to strike on Sunday. That option has not been available for several contracts now; this may be a ploy by the company to come across with another percent of wage increase, to soothe the savage beasts and hope to meet somewhere in the middle to cover the higher medical costs. They are NOT going to budge on medical - NOT ONE CENT. We can't find out why the company won't give us the option of 9/80. MANY hourly want this option. The only thing we can figure is they do not want half the workforce gone on Fridays. RONA is GONE. COLA is GONE. FORGET IT AND WORK ON JUST A FEW IMPORTANT ITEMS. AND QUIT CRYING AND ASKING FOR RESPECT. We earn it, not beg for it!

Anonymous said...

Anon. Oct 29, 2009 7:35:00 PM Now, there's an individual who is "getting it!"

Anon. Oct 29, 2009 8:16:00 PM "RONA,9/80, flexible work week,lead pay,shift pay, raises all were asked for! Raytheon said "FSCK YOU"."

For three years, you've been told what's going to happen, on this and other blogs and web pages, just like the three years earlier, when you told the company we're going on strike.

Really, don't blame the Ousties, or anyone else for that matter, for pointing out the problems time and time again.

"We need the smartest people we can get! Work to help us, not to hurt the union!"

HAHA boy; can I borrow a hundred HAHA's? You seem to have a few extra's laying around.

You really did ask for the moon, the sun, and the stars, didn't ya? To be surprised when a resounding "piss off!" was put back in your face? Shocking? No, pathetic!

The post right after yours said it all; this union is continued to be run by morons, and it's been proven yet again.

Anon. Oct 30, 2009 4:21:00 AM Your report of a rumored "cool-down" period was removed from the contract in '03, that allowed the strike to begin as soon as the vote was taken in '06 to accept or reject that contract the first time. That language is still there, and both parties (IAM & RMS) agreed to it; sorry, but it's not changeable; that I can tell, anyway. Recall that IAM wanted to remove that cool-down to FORCE the company to BAFO earlier.

Remember that this Sunday morning, when you vote to accept or reject that contract.

Hey, look, I was in a couple of stores yesterday after work; I can tell you that die-hard gear-wearing union members are still out shopping as if nothing is going to happen. Trust me, in 54 hours or so, it'll be a non-story.

Okay, enough - today's going to be fun; wonder if I should wear ORANGE one more time?!

Anonymous said...

SOMEBODY'S CLOCK IS OFF BY A LOT!!!

Last Update - Update #16 Written by Websteward
Friday, 30 October 2009 11:47

After a month long negotiations’ with Raytheon, we spent the last day debating economic proposals, we have finally reached a tentative agreement that we will bring forth to this membership, November 1, 2009. It is imperative that every member attend this important meeting. Due to the lateness of tonight’s round of negotiations and the amount of paper work we have to prepare for the meeting by Sunday, we will not be able to give a full report tonight.

We appreciate your support in coming together at the rallies. Especially today’s rally which made a huge difference in the final hours.

There are many changes that we will walk you through on Sunday, so you have a full and complete understanding of what you will be voting on.


SEE YOU SUNDAY at the TCC
10:00 Sharp

BE THERE!!

IN SOLIDARITY,

YOUR NEGOTIATING COMMITTEE

Last Updated on Friday, 30 October 2009 11:49

WHY HAS THIS UNION STOPPED COMMUNICATING AT THE TIME IT'S NEEDED THE MOST? WHAT ARE THEY HIDING?

Anonymous said...

Please do us all a favor and vote for a strike. It was an absolute joy working without the union around. Work got done without bitching and moaning and everyone worked together to accomplish tasks. Only this time, please stay out...forever!

Anonymous said...

"WHY HAS THIS UNION STOPPED COMMUNICATING AT THE TIME IT'S NEEDED THE MOST? WHAT ARE THEY HIDING?"

Obviously you have not been to the iam933.org website or you would have seen the new tentaive agreement. I guess tht's typical for you guys to jump to conclusions before doing the research.

Anonymous said...

How does a 7:40pm post make it at 3:00 in the afternoon?!

Anonymous said...

i'm sorry, but in the interest of what is best for the united states, fuck american labor. the industrial age is over, let china pollute itself rather than the usa. and unions seem less like their ancestors, out to protect american labor from predatory management, and more like the new predator: upper middle class incomes at the expense of everyone else, including the health of the company, and the country

Anonymous said...

If the union doesnt strike over this pathetic contract proposal then count me out as a union member. This doesnt look like anything was negotiated. Where is the 3,3,3. Where is the rona, where is the wage adjustments for those of us that are getting screwed at the expense of the assemblers. Where is the 9/80? What was proposed was pathetic. I feel I have been ripped off by this union for all these years. Like I said if this contract is accepted then I will form a card burning party next weekend. Beer will be provided. It is unfortunate I have to wait until feb to get out of the union.

Anonymous said...

" It is unfortunate I have to wait until feb to get out of the union."

No it's not,,,,,killl yourself NOW!!!!!

Anonymous said...

"If the union doesnt strike over this pathetic contract proposal then count me out as a union member. This doesnt look like anything was negotiated. Where is the 3,3,3. Where is the rona, where is the wage adjustments for those of us that are getting screwed at the expense of the assemblers. Where is the 9/80? What was proposed was pathetic. I feel I have been ripped off by this union for all these years. Like I said if this contract is accepted then I will form a card burning party next weekend. Beer will be provided. It is unfortunate I have to wait until feb to get out of the union."

You are not a union member you pathetic piece of shit. You are a lowlife freeloader who is just trying to stir things up. Print out the agreement and shove it up your ass. Maybe you'll get a papercut and get an infection.

FNG said...

Don't blame us if we don't want to join the union. I see old time union guys that are too lazy to do the work and barely do the minimum to get by. Day in and day out I have to pick-up the slack because I am actually proud of my work. I'll join the union when the real free-loaders retire or get ousted by the union.

Anonymous said...

I am the Oustie that was at the roadside rally on Wednesday. I was invited by the Treasurer, and my Steward. We Ousties have moved toward the Union lately, believing they got the message and would the fix the skilled trade pay problems. But this contract doesn’t fix a thing. Today we saw craptacular copies of the last-best-final offer. The Union's negotiators failed to represent all of the workers fairly. None of the technical fields deserve the low pay set by this contract. It’s a total disregard for skilled labor. Had I joined the Union, I would pay $78.03 a month starting in January. For what?

Anonymous said...

"I am the Oustie that was at the roadside rally on Wednesday. I was invited by the Treasurer, and my Steward. We Ousties have moved toward the Union lately, believing they got the message and would the fix the skilled trade pay problems. But this contract doesn’t fix a thing. Today we saw craptacular copies of the last-best-final offer. The Union's negotiators failed to represent all of the workers fairly."

This is why it was a waste of time to try and bring you cry babies in. I knew when you didn't get what you wanted the oustie mantra bullshit would start all over again. it is a piece of shit contract but the company knows it can count on you losers to cross and take anything they serve you. hell if you hate this contract you should be first in line yelling strike.



"None of the technical fields deserve the low pay set by this contract. It’s a total disregard for skilled labor. Had I joined the Union, I would pay $78.03 a month starting in January. For what?"

Screw you and all your crybaby oustie stick buddies. I wish you would have been let go from the union that way you could have been outsourced already and calibrating toilets at Circle K

Anonymous said...

What has this Union really done for us?

NOTHING

Anonymous said...

-The company outsider looking in-

So what happens next? The union and company have come to an agreement, if you want to call it that it looks more like the company told the union what they were going to do from day one, and now the union members vote this weekend?

Anonymous said...

Father Watson has already told the members to vote for this lame contract. Is watson receiving a company stipend for this?

Anonymous said...

Just what is wrong with this picture. The American Flag

Decertify 933 Committee said...

I'm glad the negotiating committee managed to get anything out of this cheap skate company. 3% per year would have been a favorable contract. The company's offer is a slap in the face. This company is not willing to share the profits with the workers who make those profits possible (no hardware out - no profits in). Raytheon will make a really good Communist sweatshop when Obama's "change" takes full effect.

I'm going to shop for a new employer that has real respect for its workers. The union keeps negotiating and the company keeps holding back more and more. The definition of insanity is when you keep doing what you've always done and expect a different result. I'm an optimist I don't expect any respect from Raytheon. It's time to stop believing they will change.

Anonymous said...

"I am the Oustie that was at the roadside rally on Wednesday. I was invited by the Treasurer, and my Steward. We Ousties have moved toward the Union lately, believing they got the message and would the fix the skilled trade pay problems. But this contract doesn’t fix a thing. Today we saw craptacular copies of the last-best-final offer. The Union's negotiators failed to represent all of the workers fairly. None of the technical fields deserve the low pay set by this contract. It’s a total disregard for skilled labor. Had I joined the Union, I would pay $78.03 a month starting in January. For what?"

1. God bless your goodwill efforts!
2. We did honrestly try to fix what you asked for. We too feel the pay imbalances are wrong but it is not the union who distributes the income but the company who says how it is to be distributed that is why we constantly recounter with different offers.
3. When the company flat refuses to bargain and say "not on my watch" what options are left? Hold them at gunpoint? Threaten their family? Beat them? None of these are viable options.
4. If we don't have the support of every hourly member or not to stand up to the company and say NO we won't yake it, then what.
5. we become the scape goats for those not willing or not having the balls to make a stand and say NO WAY JOSE!
6. just remeber this there are 3 sides to negotiations
1. the companies demands
2. the unions demands
3. the whining cowards who only want to point fingers and bitch without willing to do anything but suck up to the company who has said "screw you".
Finally the only ones to blame are those who are too afraid to fight for themselves, These are the same people who will watch their loved ones get raped, beaten, and murdered, because they don't want to get involved because of fear.

Ousties new slogan: "Be A Freeloading Scab,Save Money,Live Better."
Sounds like wally mart!

I wish you people well you are not mentally stable. I will pray for you daily.

Anonymous said...

"Decertify 933 Committee said...
I'm glad the negotiating committee managed to get anything out of this cheap skate company. 3% per year would have been a favorable contract. The company's offer is a slap in the face. This company is not willing to share the profits with the workers who make those profits possible (no hardware out - no profits in). Raytheon will make a really good Communist sweatshop when Obama's "change" takes full effect."

I was wrong abot some of your group. My appologiges, it is clear you and some of your constituents truely want change for the better. I agree with you on the wage justification balance and that it is too lopsided,I also agree with merit raises,rona ,9/80 flexible work weeks, and ability for advancement. I only wish everyone would stand united enogh (union or not) to go to the company and put them in their place. According to your stats with the percentages we are behind in, our best 110% effort should be actually around 7%. Maybe that's what we need to do is only give a 7% effort in all we do until the company forks out the difference to bring us where we should be. Sucks i know but we have the absolute most talented work force on the planet her especially in the skilled labor ranks. I will never say a bad word against the "Decertify 933 Committee agasin you have my word on that!