The union has no balls! They just have slogans. Scare tactics to keep the money pouring in. Now there is a rebellion going on and it’s about time. If only they could send us rebels to the banish hole! In the perfect socialist dream nobody would challenge their lame ideas.
Here is a collection of union slogans to review. IAM933 teaches their people to repeat these slogans to get people to fork over their money like the rest. If you join this union, you will fall into their hole. The proof is in the bottom dollar. See illustration.
Recent IAM slogans fall into one of six basic categories. Lets examine them.
1. “At will employment”: read here http://www.iam933.net/art.pdf “At will” sounds scary to the ill informed. Until you read Arizona Law.
2. The company won’t negotiate with you, nor give raises. Ask ten thousand salaried RMS workers if that’s true. They’ll laugh in your face!
3. Get rid of IAM and the Company will take away everything! Salaried workers have not lost a thing, so the Company has a record of proving the union wrong. Oh yea, it’s illegal in Arizona to “take away wages” without a demotion.
4. The Company will replace you with others for less! Aerospace workers are in limited supply. They can’t replace us, especially for less pay!
5. Everyone should make the same wage. No they should not! People should make what their skill entitles them to, based upon the need within the hiring market. Stalin sold the idea of equal pay. Look how well that worked. UAW Ruined US Autos. Will IAM ruin the Aerospace industry?
6. You need us to protect you. You need that like a hole in the head. The union is a greedy business, they need your money and free servitude to function. Why else would they let the sluggards remain in the membership?
“Jeff” has hung around to challenge us. He disagrees with our position against his union. He repeats these same slogans because he is a salesman for the union. Either he knows his words are propaganda for socialism and condones it, or he is a useful “tool” of the union by spouting off without fully understanding what they mean. Either way, the evidence is clear. This union is a money sucking leach. Below are some of Jeff’s words. Read them & follow the numbers to match the slogans:
-If you feel the salaried ranks are such a good spot to be, then get a salaried job. But wait, that would lead to employment at-will. So be careful. 1 , 6
-"Right to work for less" state. 1
-The company will not give out raises or anything if they do not have to per a collective bargaining agreement. 2
-Once again, get rid of the IAM and the company will walk all over you. Taking away money and benefits. 3, 6
-Lose the IAM and you WILL lose money and benefits. 3, 6
-The company will seek out people that will be willing to do your job for LOTS less. 4
-I foresee the company taking away wages, benefits and working conditions. 3
-The only way the workers have been able to keep wages, benefits and such is by standing together as a united front. 2, 6
-You think you are such the great worker that the company will fall apart without you. That they can not find someone out there to do what you do for less money, no 401k or match, no pension and as few other benefits as possible. 4, 6
-And then they will try to make you all the same classification so they can pay you LOTS less. Grunt 1 and Grunt 2…4, 6
-Personally I have no problem with what others make where I work. The company WILL go out and find those people willing to work for less. It will happen. 4
-And if I needed the job, I would be one of those people to move in and take yours for less wages. 4
-I would prefer to get a GWI for the entire bargaining unit with no classification raises that a smaller GWI with classification raises for a few. 5
-The company loves when their workers are not united. 6
-They know that with a divided work force there are a ton of things they can do and get away with; from changing policies and directives to offering little in the way of wages and benefits during negotiations. 6
-Without a Union these things would have been done without most people even knowing about it until it was too late. 6
Here is a collection of union slogans to review. IAM933 teaches their people to repeat these slogans to get people to fork over their money like the rest. If you join this union, you will fall into their hole. The proof is in the bottom dollar. See illustration.
Recent IAM slogans fall into one of six basic categories. Lets examine them.
1. “At will employment”: read here http://www.iam933.net/art.pdf “At will” sounds scary to the ill informed. Until you read Arizona Law.
2. The company won’t negotiate with you, nor give raises. Ask ten thousand salaried RMS workers if that’s true. They’ll laugh in your face!
3. Get rid of IAM and the Company will take away everything! Salaried workers have not lost a thing, so the Company has a record of proving the union wrong. Oh yea, it’s illegal in Arizona to “take away wages” without a demotion.
4. The Company will replace you with others for less! Aerospace workers are in limited supply. They can’t replace us, especially for less pay!
5. Everyone should make the same wage. No they should not! People should make what their skill entitles them to, based upon the need within the hiring market. Stalin sold the idea of equal pay. Look how well that worked. UAW Ruined US Autos. Will IAM ruin the Aerospace industry?
6. You need us to protect you. You need that like a hole in the head. The union is a greedy business, they need your money and free servitude to function. Why else would they let the sluggards remain in the membership?
“Jeff” has hung around to challenge us. He disagrees with our position against his union. He repeats these same slogans because he is a salesman for the union. Either he knows his words are propaganda for socialism and condones it, or he is a useful “tool” of the union by spouting off without fully understanding what they mean. Either way, the evidence is clear. This union is a money sucking leach. Below are some of Jeff’s words. Read them & follow the numbers to match the slogans:
-If you feel the salaried ranks are such a good spot to be, then get a salaried job. But wait, that would lead to employment at-will. So be careful. 1 , 6
-"Right to work for less" state. 1
-The company will not give out raises or anything if they do not have to per a collective bargaining agreement. 2
-Once again, get rid of the IAM and the company will walk all over you. Taking away money and benefits. 3, 6
-Lose the IAM and you WILL lose money and benefits. 3, 6
-The company will seek out people that will be willing to do your job for LOTS less. 4
-I foresee the company taking away wages, benefits and working conditions. 3
-The only way the workers have been able to keep wages, benefits and such is by standing together as a united front. 2, 6
-You think you are such the great worker that the company will fall apart without you. That they can not find someone out there to do what you do for less money, no 401k or match, no pension and as few other benefits as possible. 4, 6
-And then they will try to make you all the same classification so they can pay you LOTS less. Grunt 1 and Grunt 2…4, 6
-Personally I have no problem with what others make where I work. The company WILL go out and find those people willing to work for less. It will happen. 4
-And if I needed the job, I would be one of those people to move in and take yours for less wages. 4
-I would prefer to get a GWI for the entire bargaining unit with no classification raises that a smaller GWI with classification raises for a few. 5
-The company loves when their workers are not united. 6
-They know that with a divided work force there are a ton of things they can do and get away with; from changing policies and directives to offering little in the way of wages and benefits during negotiations. 6
-Without a Union these things would have been done without most people even knowing about it until it was too late. 6
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The union is a farce. When you hear these lines, you know they came from the Wipisinger school of socialism. They ask you to join so you can make change, but their constitution prohibits you from making good changes to the union. Once you join, you are boxed in by their rules. Don't believe it? Read their Constitution . The only good answer is to remove them and start fresh.
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There is still time to get rid of IAM933. But if we get into Negotiation Season, then the window of opportunity will have past to Oust the union until 2012. If you want to sign the petition, but have not felt the impulse to do so yet, get motivated. Visit http://www.iam933.net/pet.html to get a copy of the petition and mail it in today!
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Oust933 !
9 comments:
you crack me up! I make nothing if your group stays IAM or not. I do not work for the IAM, I am just a member.
you sure are putting a lot of time and effort to try and counter what I am saying. If your quest was going so well, I would think you wouldn't even give me the time of day. Hmmmm. Makes one wonder.....
I seriously doubt the company negotiates with every single salary type there. More like they go; you get 1%, you get 5%, you get 0% and so on. you don't like it, don't take it and go elsewhere.
all your arguments are based on speculation. your thoughts and ideas of what you hope the company will do with you. What you would like the company to do.
Nothing you have stated is fact. you have NO way of knowing exactly what the company will do should the IAM be voted out.
I have seen what lengths a company will go to to keep unions out. I have talked to people that were fired for trying to organize a union at their place of work. The NLRB is not worker friendly, they are sided with companies and big business at this time. Check into that for yourself.
In solidarity,
Jeff
GO IAM!!!!!
Thanks for the quick reply Jeff. Of course we have to put lots of time into this effort. The odds are stacked against us when ousting an incumbent cult. You put lots of time into this yourself. Hmmm...That makes us wonder too.
You must know that every salary type gets individual attention. You act ignorant of this fact. How much did you say you know about business again?
My argument isn't based upon speculation. It’s based upon hundreds of talks with salaried folks about how their system works, without letting them know why I want to know. I guess you could call it an educated guess at worst.
But for the sake of debate, lets assume I do speculate. I base my ideas on the fact that salaried workers outnumber hourly workers here by more than five to one. I speculate the company will go to great lengths to make one common benefits package for all because it's easier and economical for them to do so. I base my ideas on the rulebook that they have for salaried personnel. The company will streamline its hourly rulebook to the most extent possible to fit the needs of the company. Without a union, they wont have to obey UNION rules. We'll get treated like salaried folks here do already. I have yet to hear of one salaried type come running back to the hourly ranks because it sucks up there. Some of them have been let go however, and they make the biggest loudmouths in the union.
Right now, this union has set up a form of Sharia Law. Our forefathers elected them in, and they never have to leave! I bet you wouldn’t have wanted George Bush to stay in the White House for 57 years. Then why is it OK for a union to waltz in here and take over without any accountability to the workers they represent after the initial election? Unions force the workers to be accountable to the union. This union has not been accountable to its workers. Why not have a “vote of confidence” every few years? Can you fix that?
Thanks for the honest debate Jeff. I want all involved here to see the best of both sides of this argument and make the best decision. I bet we can agree to that. And while we are agreeing about something, I bet you would also agree that it’s strange this local union hasn’t sent in their own communications reps to fend off us rebels. Where is Jimbo, or Ed Q? Where is Cha-cha and Ramon? What keeps the local union officers from talking us out of this rebellion as you have tried so diligently to do?
Maybe you as a loyal unionist can talk to them and get them to come here and stand up for their union. Have them bring their constituents to read over the pages of back and forth arguments. It’s a shame that this union doesn’t have to courage to do that. It’s afraid to face down a few “egotists” as you call us. This union has no balls. Maybe yours does, but this one is strangely absent from the debate. Even if I was on the side of the union, I would find that very difficult to accept. This union isn’t made of fighting machinists, more like neutered machinists. But I digress. I meant to say thanks Jeff.
I'm currious. . Raytheon has plants all over the world, and most in the US.
As I understand it, only ONE Other plantsite has a union, Andover. And look at the poor quality that comes from there! During the strike, some of the "help" came from their main plant in Texas,non-union, and some of those fellows chuckled at the "cause". Seems they make a decent amount MORE than comperable jobs here.
Seems the only thing they had to "give up" was the ability to LOAF on the job and allow the company to use them and their skills to the benefit of all.Oh yeah, and OUTRAGIOUS UNION DUES!
BTW, they ALL share the same benefits as they are ALL salaried!
I'm sure there are dissenters there as well, it is inevitable,but it sure sounds alot better than this counter-productive,back-biting childish crap going on here!
Recall that in the 90's, when Raytheon bought Hughes, that a large percentage of work was removed from Andover for Tucson and Texas (Centers of Excellence).
Betcha they (corporate management) wish they could have a "do-over", huh?
Nothing you have stated is fact. you have NO way of knowing exactly what the company will do should the IAM be voted out. .
Neither do you; again, why do you care? Let's find out!
Go away 933!
"You have no facts, you don't know. . blah-blah-blah"
Yes Jeff, we don't have "facts". But we DO HAVE a malfunctioning union and the FACTS of their non-accomplishments is OUTSTANDING!
Besides that, there are over 9,000 SALARIED folks in their employ--they can't ALL be wrong!!
The only apparent FACT is that the union has no arguement for its' incompetence and extremely poor performance.
So..you and the union can just go away.
These people did it; we can too!
Centerpoint Medical Center nurses quit union
Kansas City Business Journal - by Mike Sherry Staff Writer
By a vote of 226-78, nurses at Centerpoint Medical Center in Independence have quit the union they joined in late 2007.
Daniel Hubbel, regional director of the National Labor Relations Board, confirmed the results Monday. The election was held Thursday and Friday.
Nurses United Local 5126 has a week to file an objection to the election, Hubbel said.
Local President Mary Nash said union officials are considering a challenge.
“It’s so disheartening,” she said of the vote. “These numbers are so discouraging.”
Centerpoint CEO Carolyn Caldwell said in a release that hospital officials were pleased with the outcome.
“Our nurses finally had their voice heard, and they told the union they didn’t need a third party stepping in between them and hospital management,” Caldwell said in the release.
If the results are certified, Hubbel said, the bargaining unit is barred for one year from holding another election.
Nurses voted 167-103 in November 2007 to join the union.
The union was unable to negotiate a contract with the hospital, and a decertification petition was filed in November.
Located near Interstate 70 and Missouri Highway 291, Centerpoint is a 221-bed, acute-care hospital. It opened in May 2008.
Centerpoint is part of the HCA Midwest Health System, the area’s largest health care network.
Hey, IAM! Hey, Raytheon!
We know you're reading - deal with the facts!
The Hardest Jobs to Fill in America
"For the second year in a row, engineer is the hardest job to fill in America."
1. Engineering
"Meanwhile, the profession's most experienced workers are retiring in droves."
"Companies are looking to replace more than half of their engineers over the next eight years, because baby boomers are retiring,"
3. Technician
These are workers in engineering, technical, operations or maintenance roles who may be classified as either skilled or semi-skilled workers. They often support professionals who have deeper skill bases. Like workers in skilled trades, technicians are trained at vocational schools, and they're in short supply because so many high school students are encouraged to go to four-year colleges instead.
Deal with it; pay us all what we'll be worth, or we'll go some where else who will!
This message is posted as an individual, not as a group.
What has happened is that over time, semi-skilled and skilled assembly occupations have been all lumped together as one occupation.
I want to think the company (and the union) has screwed with this a bit too much. Really, all mgmt wants Tucson to be is a final assembly house. Let other places (Andover, NAPI, vendors) do the simple things, like build the cards, the harnesses; things like that.
There are even places within Tucson operations that can't do that very well, however.
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